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By Emily Brooks   |   Thursday, October 22

By Emily Brooks

Thursday, October 22

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Conservatives face reckoning over Kirk conspiracy theories

Activists and commentators on the right are facing a reckoning over how to handle conspiracy theorists as podcaster Candace Owens and others purportedly digging into the assassination of Charlie Kirk have directed their fire at their friends and former colleagues at Turning Point USA.

The sense among conservatives in the immediate aftermath of Kirk’s assassination just more than three months ago, I wrote at the time, was that it would be an inflection point that inspired post-9/11-like righteous anger against the political left. But the last three months have turned out to be more like 9/11 in that the killing stoked conspiracy theories that suggest it was an inside job, fracturing the right.

Owens, a former friend of Kirk who once worked at Turning Point USA, has been the ringleader of those insisting Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old charged in Kirk’s murder, was not the one who pulled the trigger. She does not believe the messages between Robinson and his roommate included in Robinson’s indictment were authentic.

Among the tentacles in her “investigation” are flight patterns of Egyptian planes that “crossed” with Kirk’s widow Erika Kirk (originally misstating the times) and suspicions about specific Turning Point USA staffers who were present when he was assassinated.

Charlie Kirk was “betrayed by the leadership of Turning Point USA,” she said.

The result of all that, according to "Charlie Kirk Show" producer Blake Neff, was Kirk’s staff enduring more harassment due to the conspiracy-stoking than they did “from antifa supporters who overtly celebrate Charlie’s murder,” all while they’re grieving the loss of their friend and mentor that they witnessed firsthand.

The problem, though, is figuring out how to effectively rebut a conspiracist who sees pushback as “psychological manipulation” — and a sign she’s on to something.

“There is no amount of increase in pressure and propaganda and headlines written about me that are going to convince me,” Owens said.

Turning Point USA ignored Owens for a while, before responding earlier this month and scheduling a livestream rebuttal for Monday. Owens was invited to appear in person but claimed she couldn’t work it into her schedule. Erika Kirk went on a media tour and explicitly asked Owens to stop spreading conspiracy theories.

Then on Sunday, the eve before the scheduled conspiracy take-down stream, Erika Kirk said she would meet Owens in person on Monday and that all other “discussions, livestreams, and tweets are on hold until after this meeting,” though the Charlie Kirk Show on Monday did devote a chunk of time to debunk a number of conspiracy theories. 

The two met for four and a half hours, with both of them later calling it “productive,” promising further comments later, and Owens saying they “were able to share intel and clarify intent.”

It’s not just Turning Point USA that is facing a dilemma about how to handle the scrutiny of those who were closest to Charlie Kirk. The feud has put other conservative influencers — many of whom are trying to appeal to the same audience as Owens or have a personal relationship with her — in a tricky position.

Tucker Carlson said on Theo Von’s podcast that he does not “understand the official story at all” and asserted that Owens’s observation about Egyptian planes was “true,” adding: “I just don't have a ton of confidence in the FBI or the men who run it.”

An old-school principle in political discourse was to debate on the basis of facts, and not your opponent’s motives. That’s largely gone out the window over the last decade — and for conspiracy theory apologists, motives have become paramount.

“How do you know what the truth is?” Carlson said in a follow-up video. “Anybody who is earnestly searching for the truth, whether they’re right or wrong, but as long as they’re motivated by a desire to find out what happened and therefore honor Charlie's memory by getting to justice — anyone who’s doing that, I’m not going to criticize.”

Other major conservative figures, though, are now publicly pushing back on the conspiracies. Megyn Kelly has promised she will have more to say about Owens and Turning Point soon, but she did push back on demands for the FBI to reveal more.

“Because I am a sane person who understands the law, I also know that the FBI, hello, does not run around updating its investigation and releasing the very latest on what they found. And people who are demanding that the FBI or DOJ do so do not know anything about law enforcement,” Kelly said last week. 

"The Daily Wire’s" Matt Walsh put out a half-hour-long show on why he doesn’t believe the Kirk conspiracy theories — adding that he considers Owens, a former Daily Wire employee, a friend, and that he has privately talked to her about his disagreements. The lack of a bullet exit wound that Owens said she didn’t believe? Walsh cited a “plausible” analysis explaining the trajectory.

But in a sign of how intertwined conspiracy theories are with the political right, Walsh in an offhand comment said that “everybody, I think, rightly assumes that [Jeffrey] Epstein didn’t kill himself.”

The political right has been conditioned to reject the authority of long-standing institutions, experts, and traditional authority figures. President Trump for years dubbed the investigation into links between his campaign and Russia a “hoax,” animating the political pushback on the right. Owens herself referenced COVID-era recommendations from authority figures who said to “ignore your gut” and make toddlers wear masks.

And conspiracy theory believers are a sizable portion of the conservative coalition. A Manhattan Institute survey measuring the current Republican coalition found that about a fifth of them believed five or six out of six listed conspiracy theories about 9/11, the 2020 election, COVID-19 leaking from a lab, Holocaust denial, the moon landing, and vaccines causing autism. And the current Republican coalition is slightly more conspiracy-prone than the full population.

But for all the major conspiracy theories that have gained traction on the right over the last decade — from QAnon to the insistence that federal authorities instigated the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack — none have turned the conservative right against itself in the manner of the Kirk conspiracies.

This pushback to Owens doesn’t necessarily mean the right is heading for a reckoning on conspiracy theories more broadly. Many of those reading this will, I am sure, consider at least one of the conspiracies I’ve mentioned and say: “But THAT one is actually true.”

But the dominant narrative that emerges from Kirk’s assassination will be important to the event’s lasting cultural impact, and to the meaning of his assassination. Sixty years after President Kennedy’s assassination, a sizeable majority — 63 percent — of Americans said they didn’t believe his killer Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

Robinson, the man charged with killing Kirk, appeared in court for the first time last week for a hearing on media access for court motions and proceedings in the case — an issue that will be critical to combating conspiracy theories. The judge is expected to rule on the matter on Dec. 29.

 

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GOP PUSHBACK TO TRUMP ROB REINER COMMENTS

 

As soon as news broke that Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife Michele were found dead in their home in an apparent homicide, conservatives started flouting how they were handling the news about an ideological adversary.

“Notice that the American right is NOT celebrating Rob Reiner’s murder,” podcaster and former professor Bret Weinstein posted.

“You won’t see people on the right celebrating the horrific murder of Rob Reiner and his wife. Compare to the Left’s reaction to Charlie Kirk’s murder,” posted commentator Jack Posobiec.

President Trump then promptly shocked even some of his supporters, posting on Truth Social that Reiner’s death was reportedly due to “TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, sometimes referred to as TDS.”

The post spurred notable condemnation from conservatives and Republican lawmakers — not only from frequent Trump critics such as Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), but also Reps. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.) and Stephanie Bice (R-Okla.).

“A father and mother were murdered at the hands of their troubled son. We should be lifting the family up in prayer, not making this about politics,” Bice said in a post on the social platform X.

More from my colleague Julia Manchester: Trump digs in on Reiner comments, says director was ‘bad’ for country…

 
 

‘PRO-LIFE’ MOVEMENT TAKES AIM AT HHS

 

Anti-abortion activists are losing patience with the Trump administration — and now taking aim at Federal Drug Administration (FDA) Commissioner Marty Makary and Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America President Marjorie Dannenfelser last week called on Makary to “be fired immediately” amid a report from Bloomberg that the FDA was slow-walking a promised review of mifepristone, which is used in medication abortions.

White House spokesperson Kush Desai had a forceful response, expressing “the utmost confidence” in Makary, adding: “Uninformed attacks against Commissioner Makary from individuals outside the Administration will not change these facts.” (h/t Daily Wire’s Mary Margaret Olohan)

Anti-abortion activists have been losing patience with the administration on key policy issues, such as refusing to rescind the Biden-era approval of abortion drugs by mail, approving a generic version of mifepristone, uncertainty about the mifepristone review, and lack of clarity about the administration's stance on expanding Hyde Amendment restrictions on abortion to ObamaCare marketplace plans.

Former Vice President Mike Pence followed up on Monday, calling on Kennedy to be ousted. 

“It’s time to kick this progressive wolf in pro-life sheep’s clothing to the curb,” the Pence-founded group Advancing American Freedom Foundation said in a memo. Pence said: “Kennedy should step aside and give President Trump the opportunity to select a new HHS Secretary who will deliver pro-life results for the American people.” (h/t Philip Wegmann of RealClearPolitics)

 
 

ON MY CALENDAR

 
  • Wednesday, Dec. 17: The Heritage Foundation hosts Ben Shapiro for a discussion on his latest book with Heritage President Kevin Roberts, 4 p.m.
  • Thursday-Saturday, Dec. 18-21: Turning Point USA’s “AmericaFest” conference in Phoenix, Ariz. A-list slate of speakers includes Vice President Vance, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump Jr., Megyn Kelly, and Ben Shapiro.
 
 

THREE MORE THINGS

 

1. STAFF MOVES

Dan Caldwell, former senior adviser to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, is now a senior fellow for foreign policy at American Moment. … Jonathan Moy is now a major gifts officer at Advancing American Freedom. Moy was most recently manager of corporate and donor relations at the Heritage Foundation. … Former Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) is now an adviser for Americans for Free Markets, a 501(c)4 advocacy group.

 

2. AI FISSURES

President Trump’s executive order that seeks to limit the ability of states to regulate AI is dividing Republicans, my colleagues Julia Manchester and Julia Shapero report. “You’ve got a whole cadre of senators and MAGA influencers that have staked out a position on AI that is not consistent with what the president signed yesterday,” said one Republican lobbyist.  

 

3. TRUMP’S MAGA SUPPORT SLIPPING

An NBC News poll published Sunday found that support for President Trump among self-identified “MAGA Republicans” has slipped 8 points since April, from 78 percent to 70 percent. There are also shifts in whether Republicans define themselves as more supporters of the MAGA movement or the Republican Party: 57 percent MAGA and 43 percent traditional GOP in April, and 50 percent to 50 percent in December.

 
 

WHAT I'M READING

 
  • The Daily Caller’s Reagan Reese: ‘Colossally Stupid’: Nuclear-Level Fallout Could Be In Store After GOP Redistricting Failure
  • Ben Shapiro in The Spectator World: No, America isn’t fundamentally flawed
  • Washington Post’s Natalie Allison, Kadia Goba and Hannah Knowles: MAGA leaders warn Trump the base is checking out. Will he listen?
  • New York Times’s Hiroko Tabuchi: MAHA Moms Are Angry at the E.P.A. Lee Zeldin Is Trying to Win Them Back.
  • Rachel Bovard in First Things: Who’s Afraid of Scott Yenor?
  • The Dispatch’s Megan McArdle: The Brother I Lost


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